THE "PRICE" IS--WRONG! (PASTOR DAVID PRICE OF CUMC, THAT IS)

 As an example of the challenges that Pastor Demers goes through in his ministry involved in the restoration of God’s church, I have included here some copies of email interactions between Pastor David Price of Central United Methodist Church in Meridian, Mississippi and Lucinda Johnson, Executive Assistant to Christ’s Church In Action of Mt. Zion, the victim church in Meridian, Mississippi. 

I think that, as I did, anyone would find these quite interesting, even if not from Meridian, Mississippi. 

 

Berachot Levine

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Peace

Tuesday, May 5, 2009 8:48 PM

From: "Lucinda Johnson" 


To:

xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx  

Dear Pastor Price, 

I was just wondering, after you told me that you were going to be at the City Council meeting on April 21st , why you never showed up. 

A man is only as good as his word.  If you couldn’t make it then the polite thing would have been to call.  You had led me to believe that you were coming unless some unforeseen circumstance prevented you (your implication was that it would have to be something of a serious nature). 

I would also like to know why you are still rude to the Demerses….don’t you think that as the pastor of the church, that you and your church owe them an apology? 

I don’t think that it is very prudent in a church that preaches ecumenicalism to not sit down and attempt to make peace…even if they weren’t victims of hate crimes at your church.  The fact that they are should make it even more of a priority. 

Sincerely,   

Lucinda Johnson

Executive Assistant

Christ’s Church in Action  

 

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RE: Peace

Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:31 PM

From: "David Price" 


To: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx 

Lucinda,

I do owe you an apology for not making the meeting.  I failed in my plan to be there as quiet support as I had intended.  I was able to get to where I could tune in on the TV and got to see and hear the comments made at the end, including the two who spoke so strongly in testimony of the good your ministry has done them.  I also got to hear the closing comments and gathered from that, that the City Council feels that they are out of their territory, that you need to pursue legal redress for the perceived failure to investigate, and that they would even encourage that. 

On the second matter of the perceived rudeness to the Demers…  I don’t mean to be rude.  I just don’t want to subject myself to what I perceive would be a one-way communication, as opposed to a conversation on a level playing field where my personal insight would be welcomed and taken seriously.  The tone of communication, the seeming desire to perceive persecution from all quarters, and the overly judgmental and condemnatory flavor of what I read from Wade Demers is enough to make me stand back.  No rudeness is intended.  I shall be satisfied to know your ministry by its fruits and from a distance. 

David Price 

 

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RE: Peace

May 18, 2009

 From: "Lucinda Johnson"


To: David Price

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Cc: "Jim Wall" 

Dear Pastor Price, 

I accept your apology for not making the meeting.  As I said, a phone call would have been proper.  As for your comments regarding the city council, they flat out lied in saying that it is not their job and that they cannot investigate.  These are serious crimes including church arson, threats, kidnapping of children, and other crimes, and cover up of same by city government! The Meridian City Council has refused to look at evidence, even though clearly, by law, they have the power to do so.

 The law, of which they are fully aware, states, in pertinent part: 

MS Code 21-8-27: “…the council shall have the power to investigate any part of the municipal government and for that purpose to compel the attendance of witnesses and the production of documents and other evidence.” 

I have also discovered another law which is on the books, and of which I am sure that the council (and/or their lawyer) is aware: 

            MS Code 21-8-13:  “(4) The council, in addition to such other powers and duties as may be conferred upon it by this chapter or otherwise by general law, may require any municipalofficer, in its discretion, to prepare and submit sworn statements regarding his official duties, and otherwise to investigate the conduct of any department, office or agency of the municipal government.” 

As far as pursing “legal redress,” we have been to the police, the attorney general, the FBI, the US Dept. of Justice, the Lauderdale County Board of Supervisors, congressmen, senators, and every other legal avenue we could think of.  All are corrupt, and they either “pass the buck,” saying it’s not their job and telling us to go elsewhere, or even threaten us (like the police and the attorney general).  And/or they use any one or more of a number of tactics to thwart justice (see “Twenty Five Disgusting Tactics used by Government Unbeknownst to the Average Citizen” at www.armofjustice.webnode.com).

 It is too bad that you did not actually come to the meeting to see them “railroad us.”  Perhaps you would have even had the courage to tell the city council that the law says they have the power to investigate and ask them why, in light of that, they are refusing to look at evidence.

Excuse me, Pastor Price, but it is a bit childish of you to talk about what the city council said as if it has some validity.  They most certainly are not “out of their territory,” and we have been pursing every legal avenue we can; no one will do their jobs according to law and ethics, because they all have their little lives to protect, and they don’t want to lose what they have.  They are either happy that way and don’t care about the injustice, or, it bothers them but they are too afraid to speak up. (After all, for example, there are 2 city employees who left the city employ because of the corruption—both had tried to do the right thing and were threatened, so their solution was to just “get out.”) 

Regarding the city council, perhaps you are unaware of these facts: 

            1.  Jesse Palmer is the one who told us:   “you were supposed to pack your bags and run after (they burned your house)”, and “don’t you know what they did to Martin Luther King when they couldn’t stop him?  They had him killed,” and “If I was mad at you I’d tell you to your face and hit you with a 2 by 4—not these people; these people are sneaky.  They’ll go behind the scenes, and there is no limit to their capability.”  Subsequent to that, he was going to come over and look at evidence but was told by “lawyers” that he could “be in trouble” if he did.  And, recently he rudely told Pastor Demers and his wife “you’d better shut up.”  (So, the bad guys got to Jesse Palmer like they “get to” everybody.)

            2.  John Harris has been extremely mean and vicious to us and has told us to “get out of town.” 

            3.  George Thomas acted like a madman when we tried to sit down with him in his office to show him evidence. It was frightening.  And, at a city council meeting early on, when Pastor Demers said that he would like to present some evidence, Mr. Hammack (city attorney) started to say, “I think that is a good idea,” but George Thomas put up his hand and stopped him cold, and said, “You can’t present that evidence here.”

            4.  Barbara Henson admitted to me privately that the city council does not want to look at evidence (not that they can’t, they don’t want to). Also, she told me that her husband’s last words to her before he died were, to the effect of: “don’t do anything to help those people” (meaning us).  (Her husband worked for the fire department for many years, and Meridian Firemen were among the pallbearers at his funeral.)

            5.  Mary Perry lied again at the April 21st meeting, saying that it is not the city council’s job to look at evidence, that they are a legislative body, not an investigative body.  She read from a supposed letter from the AG to attempt to say that it backed up what she said.  I later obtained a copy (she had refused to give me one) and it had nothing to do with the subject matter at hand.  She twisted the truth by reading an excerpt which was entirely out of context and did not apply at all to the law quoted above or to the request we were making.  That letter was an “opinion” written by the AG to the attorney for the town of Booneville Mississippi , where the mayor had brought up a subject that was not on the agenda, and a citizen wanted to address that subject.  Mary Perry lied and deceived the public. 

Perhaps you would consider coming to the City Council meeting on May 19, 2009 .  I plan to address the lie that Mary Perry told at the April 21st meeting, and show the new law I found, as well as expose that her use of that letter was fraudulent.  You, as a pastor and a citizen, should be appalled that our city government can lie to the people like that.  It is the silence of people like you and me that allowed the Jews to be taken away to the ovens.  I am speaking up, but if people like you keep silent, the bad guys will always get away with this and then they can do it to your family, too.  You don’t even have to speak, as I said, but your presence will show them that there are people looking.  Would you please consider it?  The fact that you may disagree theologically with us is only an asset, not a liability—because I am sure that you will agree that a person’s theology should not deny them equal protection under the law. 

Bear with me now—some of the words I say may “sting” a bit.  But remember that the Bible says, “Faithful are the wounds of a friend, and deceitful are the kisses of an enemy.” (Proverbs 27:6) Also, “A lying tongue hates those it hurts, and a flattering mouth works ruin” (Proverbs 26:28) I am not here to lie to you (and thus hurt you) or to flatter you (which would do the same). I am here to tell you the truth, even though you may not like it or me afterwards. 

 In regards to the other comments in your email, about Pastor Demers, perhaps you should look up the word “hypocrite.”  You say, “I don’t mean to be rude,” yet you have been rude to them from the very first time you met them.  You insulted people you didn’t even know, and you admitted that it was based on information written and given to you by Steve McDonald (your predecessor who had to step down from the pulpit due to his addiction to internet porn). 

Steve McDonald had slandered the Demerses at your church, calling Pastor Demers a “heretic,” among other things. To put it bluntly, you judged the Demerses without having even met them, based on false information from a pervert. 

As far as your perception that Pastor Demers would not welcome your insight and take it seriously, well I think that there has been a misunderstanding on your part. Just as you feel that you have a ministry as a pastor, so does he. Pastor Demers was just seeking to know if there were any pastors interested in discussing the restoration of all things. He feels he has input to stimulate pastors to seek to know what God wants in that regard, and to seek their input as well.   He believes that his ministry is to share what he knows about that from God’s word, and what the prerequisites are to that. 

I have known Pastor Demers and his wife for nearly 3 decades now, and I am really surprised at how open he is to hear anybody’s point, and to even hear input from his detractors.  So, I think that you may, as I said, be suffering from a misunderstanding based on your own false perceptions and misinformation from others…perhaps it’s time to “re-group,” and try again with a clean slate. 

There is a saying I heard from a wise man that applies here:  “Is it wise to refute before one listens?  I think not—what say you?” Pastor Demers is willing to listen.  The question is, are you willing to listen to what he has to say?  Perhaps you need a mirror, Pastor Price…you have described your own problem. 

 By the way, have you not read the documentation about what was done to the Demerses at your church on September 5, 2007 ?  Where is the apology from your church that is due them? And by the way, speaking of that night, who paid the men with the guns to be there?  Was it Pastor McDonald?  Did it come from CUMC church funds?  Did George Thomas pay them?   How about Bill McBride?  Or maybe they all “chipped in” to pay them.  Why don’t you try and find that information out?  Somebody paid those men to be there... 

One of the men with the guns told Pastor Demers that they were there to shoot him in case he said something, so please don’t insult us by saying something ridiculous like, “it’s not true.” 

Talk about rudeness!  You cruelly snub people whom you have never met, based on false information from a non-credible source, and you don’t address the fact that some parishioners from your church tried to set these people up for possible death.  At the very least, that evening they were put to public shame, not to mention the situation where the man who stabbed the Demerses baby to death made Mrs. Demers cry that evening by his rudeness and incredible meanness. (The Arm of Justice has put the baby’s picture up on their website: www.armofjustice.webnode.com, because people were cruelly saying that it never happened.)  And you, upon taking over the pulpit at this church, have not addressed these issues, as would be the only right thing to do.  Lest you think some of my tone seems harsh, please reverse the situation and think how you would feel if these things were done to you or to someone you cared about. 

And, one more thing, what about your discriminatory and hateful behavior in barring Mrs. Demers from speaking at Ladies at Lunch with the Lord? 

She had already been approved to be on the program, as the goal of LLL, as stated in the newspaper article about it, was “a time for local women to come together to learn about God,” and “to collect a very diverse group of women of all ages to come meet together to share personal testimonies, and study God’s Word.” 

 

Lessons/testimonies were solicited by the handout given out at the tables, and so that is how Mrs. Demers and I ended up on the program; we responded to the solicitation in the handouts.  The week before we were supposed to share, you sent a letter telling Mrs. Demers that she was not welcome to speak, nor was anyone from her church!  Your wording was, “I cannot permit you or anyone else from your church to speak in a sanctioned program at Central United Methodist Church .”  

 

She and I had sat through blasphemous “teachings” supposedly from God’s word at LLL, and we were quiet and said nothing about it.  By “blasphemous,” I mean things which, on the surface, seem accurate but are contrary or not consistent to God’s word. (I will be sending a subsequent email concerning this point.)  And, Mrs. Demers’ sharing, as with any of the teachings that her husband gives, are not denominationally doctrinal, but are purely literal and understandable as delineated by God throughout the scriptures.  If you would take time to sit down with the Demerses, you would see this fact, that the Demerses refuse to interpret the Bible, and just take God at his word. 

 

 You wouldn’t allow Mrs. Demers to READ DIRECTLY FROM GOD’S WORD, THE BIBLE.  Talk about rudeness!  She had as much a right to share as anyone, you phony ecumenical hypocrite!!  Why would you single out one person, Patricia Demers, and forbid her to SPEAK, when you let all manner of “faiths” get up and say whatever they want?  You even allowed someone to speak at LLL who is a member of the Seventh Day Adventists, considered a cult by most of the mainline denominations in the United States . 

Not only was Mrs. Demers singled out, but a letter was sent from the pastor of the church (you)—if that is not discrimination, I don’t know what is!

Please forgive me, but you are acting like a rude, mean little boy, and I think it’s time for you to grow up.  Mrs. Demers was so taken aback by your rudeness when she and her husband first met you, she couldn’t believe it.  Sadly to say, she wasn’t surprised when you banned her from sharing from God’s word at LLL.  I, perhaps foolishly, was surprised, thinking to myself, “David Price seems different than the other pastors.  He won’t discriminate against us or treat us badly.”  I was wrong. Your rudeness to a 61 year old woman who has suffered so much should certainly have been addressed by now. You really should admit to xxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxx that you were wrong to discriminate, and have them put Mrs. Demers on their program for the first LLL meeting after summer break. 

Speaking of LLL, my schedule has not permitted me to attend lately, but on the rare occasions when I was available to attend, I couldn’t get myself to walk through that door because of how badly my pastor’s wife was treated by your behavior and your edict imposed with your cruel letter.  xxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxxxx, of course, participated in your discriminatory behavior by keeping silent and “passing the buck,” saying, “It’s David’s decision, not ours.”  Perhaps it never occurred to them to say to you that they would not participate in discriminatory behavior, and that ALL ladies at lunch were welcome to share. TSK, TSK, SHAME, SHAME. 

Also, Pastor do you even have any idea of who Pastor Demers is and what is on his resume, and what his experience is?  You act very disrespectfully to a man who is your elder and a fellow member of clergy. How dare you speak to him or about him in the fashion in which you have?  

You really should apologize to the Demerses, and sit down to speak with them.  You will find out that you are wrong in your perceptions if you can just take time to listen.  Also, as stated above, you should correct your error, apologize to the Ladies at Lunch, and allow Mrs. Demers to share as any other person is allowed.  You have hurt those ladies by not allowing this gracious lady to share from God’s word, and you have shown yourself not to be the ecumenical, peaceful man that you purport to be.  I’m sorry, but you are, indeed, a hypocrite until you right these wrongs. 

Sadly to say, in this day and age, it seems that it is a rare person who can admit fault and humble themselves to correct error.  But these are the true heroes of this world today, and, of course, that is what Jesus Christ is all about.  Please examine yourself and try to make peace.  That peace can only come through communication with the principals, not this second-hand, back and forth stuff. 

You might want to consider the teachings of Jesus when you make your decision: 

            “Treat others the same way you’d want them to treat you.”   Luke 6:31 

             "Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has     something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.”                                  Matthew 5:23 

            “…then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.”                                                                                        Philippians 2:2 

I am attaching something for you to read (and read again if you already have).  This is something that Pastor Demers had published in the newspaper before the media blackout.

Jesus is Lord is something more than just something that puts tithes in your pocket.  It should be sovereign over our lives. 

I urge you to please contact the Demerses and rectify these situations. 

Sincerely,

Lucinda Johnson

 

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I forgot the attachment-here it is!

Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:30 PM

From: "Lucinda Johnson"


To: "David Price" 

Cc: "Jim xxxxxxxxx" 

Message contains attachments

Isn't it time for us to unite1.doc (34KB)

Dear Pastor Price,  

Here is the attachment to go with my email of earlier today.  

My apologies--happy reading! 

 

Sincerely,  

Lucy Johnson